Walkthrough 3 · Applied

Refining Greedy Entries — 4H to 1m

The thesis: once the 4H trade exists, dropping TFs is not "looking for a different setup" — it's negotiating a better price on the same setup. This walkthrough is the trade-off between R:R and fill probability, made explicit.

A 4H hold candle on ETH. Lazy entry sits at the top. Drop down through 1H, 15m, 5m, 3m, 1m looking for a deeper, greedier entry. Better R:R, but you might miss the trade entirely. Welcome to high-leverage scalping.

Source: Video 42 Asset: ETH TF: 4H → 1m ladder Setup: Greedy long
Backdrop

4H chart, ETH. Found a 4H hold candle at ~2011.36. Dropped to weekly to verify trend — supportive. No 4H trend resistance above price.

Concepts: Greedy entries Time-arrayed Hold Leverage

Decision shape · before the steps

The TF-drop trade-off, on one canvas

            ┌──────────────────────────────────┐
            │ 4H setup confirmed?              │
            └──────────────┬───────────────────┘
                       yes │  no → SKIP
                           ▼
            ┌──────────────────────────────────┐
            │ Want better R:R? (worth missing?)│
            └──────────────┬───────────────────┘
                ┌── no ────┴──── yes ──┐
                ▼                        ▼
        TAKE 4H lazy entry      Drop to 15m
        miss-rate ~10%                 │
        R:R baseline                   ▼
                            ┌──────────────────────┐
                            │ Want better still?   │
                            └──────────┬───────────┘
                              ┌── no ──┴── yes ──┐
                              ▼                    ▼
                          TAKE 15m         Drop to 5m → 3m → 1m
                          miss ~25%         miss > 50%
                          R:R +30%          R:R 2-3×
                                                │
                                                ▼
                                       Did the deep tier fill?
                                       ┌── yes ──┴── no ──┐
                                       ▼                    ▼
                                 TRADE the fill         Take CONSOLATION
                                 (tight stop on         tier (15m if still
                                  parent TF)            valid, else SKIP)

                       STOP stays at 4H invalidation on EVERY terminal —
                       refining the entry only shrinks the risk leg.

Each "yes" is a negotiation: better R:R for higher miss-rate. The stop never moves — invalidation lives on the parent TF. Pre-commit to a consolation tier so a passed greedy entry doesn't become a round-trip.

Step 1 · Lazy 4H entry
The obvious option
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Without a guaranteed-fill floor you'll chase deeper entries that never trigger — the lazy price is the worst you'd accept, and the anchor every greedier step has to beat.

ETH · 4H · greedy long setup weekly trend supportive LAZY $2011.36 top body of the 4H HOLD candle No 4H trend resistance overhead. Lazy = take the trade as soon as price pulls in. R:R modest, fill rate near 100%.
ETH · 4H — the parent hold candle. Top body sits at $2011.36 (the lazy entry).
See also:
Hold HTF Bias Greedy Entry

The 4H hold candle's top body is at 2011.36. That's the lazy entry. Ride the 4H structure, take the trade as soon as price pulls in.

Your call
Take the lazy entry? Or push for greedier?
What he did

Pushed for greedier. With high leverage, the lazy entry's R:R isn't enough. The whole point of dropping TFs is to find a deeper fill that survives a wider stop.

Step 2 · Drop to 15m
First refinement
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Skip 1H — drop straight to 15m where the parent's sub-structures actually print. First real R:R gain, fill probability still respectable.

Inside the 4H hold — three 15m sub-levels appear 4H · PARENT HOLD LAZY 2011.36 one 4H candle · top body = lazy 15m · SUB-STRUCTURES 15m FIB · 1999.39 15m BACKSIDE ≈ 1999 15m ORIGIN · deeper three greedier candidates drill into the body
Drop one TF into the parent. The 4H hold contains its own sub-structures on the 15m: front-side fib, backside hold, deeper origin. Each is greedier than the lazy 4H.
See also:
Refinement Hold Origin Fractal

Drop into the 4H hold candle on the 15-minute chart. Look for sub-structures: 15m holds, 15m fibs, 15m origins inside the parent. This is refinement.

Your call
Inside a 4H hold, what would you look for first on the 15m? A 15m fib? A 15m hold? A 15m origin? Why each?
15m sub-levels
  • 15-min front-side fib: 1999.39 — lower price, earlier in time inside the parent.
  • 15-min backside hold: ~1999 — different angle, same area.
  • 15-min origin retest: deeper still.

Each is a valid entry. Each is greedier than the lazy 4H.

Step 3 · Push deeper — 5m, 3m, 1m
How far do you go?
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5m and below is scalping territory — the entry math gets surgical, but you're paying with miss rate. Only justified when leverage demands the tighter stop.

Greedy-entry ladder: one price level at $2011.36 drawn through 4D → 1D → 4H → 1H → 15m → 5m → 3m at the same y-coordinate. Same level. Seven timeframes. Each step in is greedier. 4D · 4-DAY macro · the move 1D · DAILY structure · the day 4H · 4-HOUR the hold candle 1H · 1-HOUR the touch hour 15m · 15-MIN 15m FIB first refinement 5m · 5-MIN 5m RETEST deeper still 3m · 3-MIN 3m ORIGIN extreme greedy ORIGIN $2011.36 coarse · lazy drill down → tighter entry, lower fill rate → fine · greedy
Greedy entries laddered through seven timeframes. Same level, deeper refinement at each scale. The smallest TF gives the tightest entry but the lowest fill rate. Hover any panel to isolate it; the origin line stays.
See also:
Time-Arrayed Trend Fractal Greedy Entry Refinement Origin

You can keep dropping. 5m → 3m → 1m. Each TF reveals smaller structures inside the previous.

Your call
Stop at 15m? Push to 5m? Push all the way to 1m?
Greedy ladder
  • 5-min break retest: 199.789 (slight better still).
  • 1-min origin: extreme greedy.

Decision rule:

  • High leverage: take ONLY the greediest. Accept missing it.
  • Low leverage: any 15-min level is fine for better R:R.
Step 4 · Stop placement
Where's the invalidation?
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The stop doesn't move with the entry. Invalidation lives on the parent TF — refining the entry only shrinks the risk leg, never the thesis.

STOP: below the 4H BREAK · one invalidation LAZY 4H · $2011.36 15m FIB · $1999.39 1m ORIGIN · greediest STOP · 4H BREAK LAZY → STOP · widest risk GREEDY → STOP · tight risk Entry is on the 1m. Thesis is on the 4H. If 4H breaks, the trade is wrong — at any depth. Same invalidation, three entry depths. Greedier entry = same stop = better R:R against the same risk.
One stop below the 4H break. Three entry depths. The greedier the entry, the smaller the risk leg.
See also:
Stop Placement Break Greedy Entry Leverage
Your call
Where do you place the stop for this trade — and crucially, does the stop move depending on which entry tier you took (lazy / 15m / deeper)?
Stop

Stop loss: below the 4H break level — the deepest acceptable invalidation.

Even though entry is on the 1m, the THESIS is on the 4H. If 4H breaks, the trade is wrong. The greedy entry just gives you better R:R against the same invalidation.

Step 5 · Outcome
Did the greedy entry fill?
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Greedier targets miss more often than they hit — pre-committing to a consolation tier is what keeps a passed-by greedy fill from becoming a round-trip.

OUTCOME · the trade taped out TP FINAL TP1 · 4H trend 15m FILL · 1999.39 1m ORIGIN · MISSED FILL would-have-filled · bounced first TP1 TP FINAL NET: PROFITABLE · greedy missed, 15m ran Greediest entry didn't fill. The 15m consolation did, and ran through 4H trend resistance (TP1) to TP final. Both rules held.
Price bounced before reaching the 1m origin (greedy = miss). The 15m fill held and ran two targets.
See also:
TP Cascade Greedy Entry First Touch
Your call
With three entry tiers (lazy / 15m / deeper greedy), which fills first and which probably gets passed by? Does the deepest entry always lose?
Outcome
  • Did NOT get the 1-min origin entry — bounced before.
  • DID get the 15-min front-side at 1999.39.
  • Hit 4H trend resistance — first TP.
  • Continued slightly higher to TP final.

Net: profitable. The greediest entry was a miss. The 15-min level was the consolation that ran. Both decisions held: target the greediest, accept the miss, take whatever fills.

Lesson
The greedy-entry tradeoff in one sentence
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"Welcome to high leverage trading. You're looking for the greedy entries. You're only taking the greediest one you can spot, and do you get it? Not always."
— Syndotc · Video 42
  • Drop divisible TFs (1:1:4) — never random.
  • Only forward in time, only down in price (for longs).
  • Stop at the deepest acceptable invalidation (parent-TF break) — not at each refinement.
  • Trends can stop you reaching target. TP into structure, take partials.